Faced with gun-toting drug smugglers, Arizona ranchers demand security at the border

Wave after wave of Mexican drug and immigrant smugglers are crossing into the U.S., passing through the Arizona border where nearby ranchers say they feel unprotected by their own government. NBC's Mark Potter reports.

By Mark Potter, NBC News correspondent

ARIVACA, Ariz. --  Just before nightfall, 73-year-old rancher Jim Chilton hikes quickly up and down the hills on his rugged cattle-grazing land south of Tucson, escorting two U.S. Border Patrol agents.  

He wants to show them the disturbing discovery he made earlier in the day: a drug-smugglers' camp on his private property.  Stacked together under a stand of trees are blankets, jackets, food, water, binoculars and bales of marijuana from Mexico wrapped in burlap. The smugglers, themselves, are nowhere in sight and are believed to have fled the area, which is about 10 miles north of the Mexican border.

Rancher Jim Chilton shows what's left of a drug smugglers camp on his ranch.

"The druggers outrageously use my land at will," said Chilton, who frequently finds evidence of smugglers on his land -- well-worn trails, cut fences, discarded water bottles, clothing and shoes. His home has been burglarized twice and he is constantly on the lookout for armed smuggling groups while he and his employees round up cows on his remote land.

"Can you imagine riding your horse through here on your own land and running into a guy with an AK-47 and 20 or 30 guys behind him dressed in camouflage and carrying drugs?," he asked.

Hidden cameras in southern Arizona captured footage of armed drug smugglers in 2012.

Like living ‘in a no-man’s land’

The land where Chilton raises his cattle covers 50,000 acres south of the small town of Arivaca, Ariz.  About five miles of his property runs along the international border, where all that separates Mexico from the United States in most areas there is a four-strand barbed-wire fence. Chilton owns some of the land outright, but leases most it from the state and federal governments for cattle grazing.

Mark Potter / NBC News

Ranchers Jim and Sue Chilton in Arivaca, Ariz., say drug smugglers use their land frequently, and their home has been burglarized twice.

He and his wife, Sue Chilton, complain they feel caught in the middle between the Mexican drug and immigrant smugglers and the United States Border Patrol, which the Chiltons and other ranchers accuse of concentrating most of its patrols and checkpoints miles north of the border, far beyond where the ranchers live and work.

"It's like living in a no-man's land. The Border Patrol doesn't really protect us, they try to arrest people north of us," said Chilton.  "I think the druggers should be stopped at the United States border. They shouldn't be allowed into this country. The Border Patrol should secure the border at the border."

Ranchers Jim and Sue Chilton live on the U.S.-Mexico border where drug smugglers constantly walk across their property.

Jeffrey Self, who heads the U.S. Customs and Border Protection joint field command in Arizona, said it is not fair to characterize the area as a "no-man's land."  He conceded, though, that Arizona ranchers are correct when they report Mexican drug and immigrant smugglers crossing their land.

"Yes, there is traffic out on those ranch lands. Communities continue to be impacted to a certain extent,” he said.  “But you can't discount the fact that gains have been made over the course of the last few years.”

Jeffrey Self, head of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection joint field command in Arizona, says a lot of gains have been made at border protection, but acknowledges more is needed.

With 5,500 Border Patrol agents assigned to Arizona, double the amount stationed there in 2004, Self argued that much more territory is being patrolled now than in the past.  And he said daily surveillance flights and advances in camera and sensor technology have also helped dramatically reduce the number of illegal border crossings. 

"If you look back to 2000…there were 610,000 aliens arrested in Arizona,’ Self said.  “Just look at last year, we came in at 119,000." 

Over the past decade, however, there has been a dramatic rise in the amount of illegal drugs smuggled from Mexico into Arizona.  The Border Patrol there seized about one million pounds of marijuana during each of the last several years -- about four times the amount seized in 2000. Other illicit drugs, such as heroin and meth, are also entering Arizona in greater quantities than ever before.

‘He came out screaming’

For neighboring rancher David Beckham the problem is even more severe.  Earlier this year he made the painful decision to move himself, his wife and three boys away from their ranch, which sits about 12 miles north of the Mexican border.

Arizona rancher David Beckham says drug smugglers crossing his land forced him to move his family.

"It's not safe, it’s not safe for my kids," he said.  The Beckhams have had numerous run-ins on their land with Mexican smugglers.

Their cattle fences are frequently cut and paths heading north from Mexico cross their property.  Beckham says a smuggler even fired shots at him while he walked his land with a U.S. Border Patrol agent.  Several illegal border crossers have also approached his house at night--one even reaching his hand into their bathroom window.

"Several years ago, one of my children was taking a shower and had a gentleman reach into the shower while he was in there, and he came out screaming, absolutely refusing to take a shower for the next couple months."

The Beckhams, like the Chiltons, scoff at the Obama administration’s claims the U.S.-Mexican border is safer than ever. 

"It's a joke, they can believe what they want. They can live in candy land," said Beckham. "You can't have a safe and secure country without a safe and secure border, and we don't have it. We don't."

Sue Chilton says she believes a U.S. government decision to not to heavily patrol right along the border is, in effect, creating a free-access zone for Mexican smugglers.

"We have, without any reason or logic to it, decided to cede as much as 15 or 20 miles of the United States to the cartels, and we live in that section that has been ceded," she said.  "They have lookouts in the mountains within a mile of our house."

Several advocacy groups concerned about border security have placed motion-activated hidden cameras near the Chilton's ranch and elsewhere in southern Arizona.  Their videos, many of them shot recently, confirm the ranchers' complaints, revealing wave after wave of drug and immigrant smuggling groups, sometimes heavily armed, crossing U.S. land miles north of the Mexican border. 

"First, it's a threat to our life," said Chilton. "Second, it's a threat to our livelihood."

Border Patrol: agents more thorough than ever

As to the complaint the Border Patrol places most of its patrols and checkpoints miles north of the border fence, Jeffrey Self of the Customs and Border Protection’s joint field command in Arizona said agents are assigned where they will be most effective in apprehending smugglers and illegal immigrants. 

"I would get less out of putting those agents on the line than having them operate those checkpoints," He said.  

Still, many agents do patrol the border fence, he said, and are "in and around those ranchers every day, 365 days a year."  Serious problems stemming from distance and budgets, however, do hamper some daily Border Patrol operations.  Agents stationed in Tucson have to drive as many as two hours a day just to reach parts of the remote and rugged border.  And a spokesperson confirmed that a Border Patrol FOB (Forward Operating Base), built west of the Chilton ranch, is currently unmanned because there isn't enough money to pay agents' overtime fees. The FOB was built to house agents day and night right at the border near Sasabe, Ariz., and to reduce the current drive times.  

Nevertheless, Self said, his agents are doing a better, more thorough job than ever. 

"Is there still traffic coming across [ranchers’] property?  Absolutely.  Do we want them to feel safe in their homes?  Absolutely.  We're going to work toward that effort."

Drug smugglers move through Arizona in this footage captured by hidden cameras in 2012.

Ranchers describe smugglers as ‘desperate’

The Chiltons, Beckhams and other ranchers in southern Arizona give high marks to the Border Patrol agents, themselves, respecting the dangerous work they do and appreciating their willingness to help property owners in need. 

The complaint they have is with where those agents are assigned.  The ranchers also believe, as do many of the agents, themselves, that smugglers crossing the border now are more heavily armed and confrontational than in years past.

"They seem to be a lot more desperate.  The people coming across now are different, they are not friendly," said Beckham.

Surveying her ranchland, Sue Chilton described what happens when smugglers walk close to their house at night:  "We turn out the lights, Jim gets his guns and we sit somewhere in the dark in the middle of the house where we are not close to our window and wait for the action to be finished."

Her husband, Jim, who comes from several generations of ranchers, said he has never seen the border as dangerous as it is now.

"It's outrageous. I'm a citizen of the United States.  I expect to be protected like everybody else," he said.  "The border is not secure, it is worse than it's ever been."

 

 

 

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How about a well regulated militia with a right to bear arms like guaranteed by our Constitution and God?

  • 7 votes
Reply#54 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:16 PM EST

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Sure makes a lot of sense now doesn't it. Especially when the Feds have a different agenda than protecting our borders.

  • 3 votes
#54.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:38 PM EST

How about you tea-publicans doing something for yourselves!!!! Let the drug smugglers know you are there!!!!

Get a backbone and throw some lead at them as they come over the fence!! just dust the ground around them!!! DON'T KILL THEM JUST LET THEM KNOW YOUR THERE!!!!

  • 2 votes
#54.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:01 PM EST

Maybe the cartel will make their way to Ohio some day. See how you like it then.

  • 3 votes
#54.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:02 AM EST

Hello folks, doesn't Arizona have a law, I believe it is known locally as SB1070 or Senate Bill 1070, which is aimed at discouraging illegal immigrants from entering or remaining in the state. It expanded the powers of state police officers to ask about the immigration status of anyone they stop, and to hold those suspected of being illegal immigrants.

I think this is not only a good law but one that has been long overdue and should be enforced rigorously around our entire country, don’t you?

But in order for it to be truly legal and moral it can only be enforced by Native American Indians.

    #54.4 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:21 PM EST
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    More welfare for all!!!!!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#55 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:16 PM EST

    The U.S. Government has become an evil institution. Obama will not enforce immigration laws or defend the border because he does not want to offend Mexican immigrants, who make up a large part of his constituency. Politicians are content to allow events to take place that will eventually destroy the nation, as long as they are able to cement their political power for the present. The average IQ among Mexican immigrants is 86. These people have a fecundity that rivals fruit flies. The nation will not survive if the average IQ drops below 100, which it already has. Mexicans have destroyed their own country. Now they are hell-bent on destroying ours. Our politicians will do nothing to stop them.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#56 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:18 PM EST

    Dumb,Grasshopper!

      #56.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:20 PM EST

      they like little money the republicans pay them..do you need your house reproof

        #56.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:21 PM EST

        Average national IQ has been around 90 for almost 25 years now.

        • 1 vote
        #56.3 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 PM EST

        Thanks to drugs including mj

        • 1 vote
        #56.4 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:03 AM EST
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        AZ pay your own way remember you can do better than the other government right?????

        • 3 votes
        Reply#57 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:19 PM EST

        We can, if you and obama stays out of our way.

        • 9 votes
        #57.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:22 PM EST

        AZ declare your independence from the corrupt regime in Washington DC, and return to the founding principles of 1776.

        • 6 votes
        #57.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:22 PM EST

        they have been out of you dumb azzeez way do it..

        • 2 votes
        #57.3 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:23 PM EST

        Was that even English Elvis? That made no sense at all. Want to try it again?

        • 3 votes
        #57.4 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 PM EST

        All you people want to do is CRY!! CRY!! CRY!! DON'T BUY THE POT!!!!

        • 1 vote
        #57.5 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:56 PM EST
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        small govt folks want more govt when it suits them... big surprise.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#58 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:19 PM EST

        No, Its called... If you are going to face a life term prison sentence for protecting your self and property then either the government has to step back and let you or they had better front up and protect you....that is why ppl want smaller govt...they could protect themselves just fine. The govt just won't let them.

        • 3 votes
        #58.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:32 PM EST

        There were only a few things the Constitution empowered the Federal Government to do, all else was the rights of the Sovereign States. Providing for the common defense was one of those things, creating ObamaCare was not.

        • 5 votes
        #58.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 PM EST

        You are aware that about 70% of Arizona’s border with Mexico is Federal land? Goldwater gunnery range, Cabeza Prieta National wild life refuge, Organ Pipe National Monument, and don’t forget the Tohono O'Odham Nation.

          #58.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:13 AM EST
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          i say just start shoting them and just leave them where they drop. when and if you do this you say to other drug runners dont come on my property

          • 4 votes
          Reply#59 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:20 PM EST

          Maybe we should send Obammy/Pelosi/Reid/Feinstein down to the border and let them try to reason with the illegals. That would take care of 4 problems we have right away. Then we could send the rest of the libs/progressives to back them up and all wave their hankies in unison to welcome all the new lib/prog voters.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#60 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:20 PM EST

          Let the states take care of the problem.Right,Tea Baggers? Less govt..

          • 3 votes
          Reply#61 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:21 PM EST

          57.1 applies to you also. Arizona was trying to take care of the problem, but anti-gun nuts, obama and druggies don't want us to.

          • 7 votes
          #61.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 PM EST

          Again...The reason is.... If the govt says you can protect yourself/property w/out going to prison for life that would be great. If NOT (which it is currently) then the govt NEEDS to come in and PROTECT YOU. That is part of your taxes...

          • 1 vote
          #61.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:37 PM EST

          Bill, funny you say that. Az was trying to take care of it, but you and your fellow libs whined about it.

          Which is it? You want the states to handle it or not? Make up your minds folks!

          • 5 votes
          #61.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:06 AM EST
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          Sally from @!$%#cago you're just silly. Such an asinine statement you have made. Imagine, if you can, these people sitting in the dark with weapons in their hands, as some lowlife, armed with ak-47, escorts other lowlifes across your property. Close enough to be heard. Close enough to be seen. You're all alone, except for each other. Cops are how far away? You know you're vulnerable. If you were to kill one, how many others would target you and come for you? Day or night, you wouldn't know. And your kids. Which don't feel safe outside in daylight. Where else in this country has this fear? Where else in this country should they be concerned about? Four strands of barbed wire, about 4-4.5 feet high. You think that would protect them and their property? Protect the rest of this country? There has been a documentary made about the border and it's effects. Dennis Lynch made it. It's very cheap and he gives you 3 copies of it on DVD so you can give them to your friends. Look it up and buy it. You might learn something.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#62 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:22 PM EST

          Jeeeze... And all this time I thought the rootin tootins were against government aid

          • 1 vote
          Reply#63 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:22 PM EST

          hahahaha

          • 2 votes
          #63.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 PM EST
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          Build the fence. Electrify the fence.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#64 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 PM EST

          who will pay for it the tea party????

          we could have the Mexicans build it with Penny's on the dollar and then kick them out right???

            #64.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 PM EST

            How many Robert Krentz' or Jamiel Shaw Jr.'s does it take for you to start caring? What is wrong with you?

            • 1 vote
            #64.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:16 PM EST
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            Mexico is seconds away from anarchy. They won't do anything to stop the violence in their country, nor will they stop it from coming into our country. It's time to close the border, at least until Mexico gets a new government. We need The Great Wall of America - a barrier that will keep them out for good.

            Seriously, I'm tired of living with the threat of Mexican drug lords entering our great country and doing what they will, killing innocent people.

            It's time to put a stop to the madness. Mr. President, please close the border.

            • 7 votes
            Reply#65 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:26 PM EST

            If there ever was a time to redo Nagasaki & Hiroshima-only immediately due South, this is it. Then start working on the obnoxious illegal aliens thumbing their noses at us on our own soil.

            • 1 vote
            #65.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:19 PM EST

            Mexico is seconds away from anarchy

            And could spill over into the US, there is nothing to stop them.

            • 3 votes
            #65.2 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:09 AM EST

            Mexico is seconds away from anarchy.

            So very dramatic and so much BS too. I have a bunch of family living in Mexico, what you see happening at the border is not reality for most of the people that live there.

              #65.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:57 PM EST
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              Well guys, I'm sorry for your plight. But Janet assures me that our border security is great. And Holder and I are quite busy making sure that AZ doesn't racially profile and hassle the illegals that are crossing your land.

              • 7 votes
              Reply#66 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:27 PM EST

              At "SALLY IN CHICAGO". If the rancher's land isn't safe, others nearby and distant from his most certainly are not. Funny you should mention the rancher being "only concerned about his property price/value"; recently a study has been concluded and the results posted in the local Tucson newspaper: property values have fallen due to the precense of not only the illegal imigration traffic and drug smuggling, but also DUE TO THE PRECENSE OF THE BORDER PATROL RE-BORDER STATIONS (like the one a mile up I-19 from my house in Tubac), right south of the errantly portrayed story location (Amado, not Arivacva as stated in the TV news broadcast). You don't live here. Shut your mouth; I know I'm a Veteran and I fought for your right to open your yap, but shutup. Our house value has cratered, do you understand this you devoid-of-empathy brute woman? The Border Patrol agents (sic) are rude and offensive and their only concern at the re-border station is trying to figure out how to introduce good. honest American citizens into the system. Just drive up tp one of those places and you'll notice the kid preoccupied with snooping in your car first (looking for drugs and who knows what else instead of ensuring his/her personal safety first). Those kidz with LOADED WEAPONS need to go into the FIELD. OBTW, we got this re-border station thrust upon us because of GENERAL GABRIELLE GIFFORDS (General NOT!).

              • 3 votes
              Reply#67 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 PM EST

              A Barrett .50 sniper rifle at 1500+ yards. There will be no return fire.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#68 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 PM EST

              Okay. So this guy wants protection to be paid for by the US government. According to the state department the US is bordered by open water of 12,479 miles, the US borders Canada (water and land) over 5,525 miles and Mexico by 1,933.4 miles. Now tell me how will the US government provide 24 hour security for 19,937.4 miles! Time to get a grip on reality.

                Reply#69 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 PM EST

                Now that he's got his second term, perhaps Obama can stop throwing money at special interest groups that he needed for the election. Then there might be something avaliable for real problems.

                • 5 votes
                #69.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 PM EST

                they call it small government..with no tax money

                  #69.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 PM EST

                  Simple Prof: Concentrate our firepower just where the hostile foreign forces have been seen infiltrating our country.

                  • 4 votes
                  #69.3 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                  The Canadians aren't looking for a place to settle. They aren't the problem. Their country is not f***ed up. But the mexicans, on the other hand, are ALL f***ed up, ALL f***ed up. And they are a major problem. From beginning to end.

                  • 3 votes
                  #69.4 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:23 PM EST
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                  Armed intruders on private property provides an obvious and simple solution. It is reasonable to assume they are there to kill you so you can shoot them in self defense. This is why we have a 2nd Amendment and why an "assault weapon" ban is ludicrous. Interesting that the anti gun nuts don't even know the defintion of an "assault weapon". The primary characteristic of an "assault weapon" is that it is capable of FULLY AUTOMATIC FIRE and guess what Libotards???? They are ALREADY BANNED!!!

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#70 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 PM EST

                  we could stop it but the tea party in az like meth...have you heard them talk

                    Reply#71 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 PM EST

                    Tough laws and touch enforcers are need to make the border safe and secured. The problem is when Arizona leaders tries to enforce the law, people from Washington wants to prevent the laws from being enforced. Washington wants law breakers to continue with their game.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#72 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:36 PM EST

                    Unfortunately, what has happened, is the border has been, defacto, moved several miles north of the old border; and these ranchers are in fact stuck in a no-man's land. It may not be reflected on a map, but it looks like it is a political reality...And that really stinks....Unfortunately we american have to take our share of the blame on this because they wouldn't be smuggling these drugs if there wasn't such a high demand for them..

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#73 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:37 PM EST

                    The old "If Americans weren't BUYING the drugs, mexicans would not supply them" argument is worthless. Americans cannot buy what is not made available, can they? mexicans never take blame for their own wrong doing. Everything is someone else's fault. mexicans are a God forsaken people and a nuisance to the whole world. A disease. Pack them all up and send them to Mars.

                    • 2 votes
                    #73.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:28 PM EST
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                    If the people of Arizona did not use drugs there would be no drug traffic!!

                    The problem of drug smuggling is the Arizona's problem deal with it !!!!! Don't ask the Federal Government to get involved!!

                    Build a fence!!!!!!!! why should you ask other people from other states to be burden with your problem!!

                      Reply#74 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                      Likewise AZ citizens should not send any tax money, or soldiers, to the federal government. They should use them instead to defend themselves.

                      • 4 votes
                      #74.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:42 PM EST

                      AJ, I'm from Ohio, too. I was born in Akron at St. Thomas Hospital and lived in Cuyahoga Falls and Munroe Falls. I was schooled in Stow and Kent. How cum yu so dum? What do you do, I mean really do for a living? Where is your head at, man? I really don't understand your question. We all all Americans, right? I guess I am sorry to burden you with that, as I, a fellow American in ARIZONA can only wonder how you don't know that what comes across the border makes its way all across America, even Akron, Ohio, only to enter Buchtell, North and other high schools. Get smart or I'm gonna send Kannin up there to see what your problem is.

                      • 2 votes
                      #74.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:09 PM EST

                      AJ seems to hate AZ for some reason.

                      • 1 vote
                      #74.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:20 AM EST
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                      30.06 and a good scope, put one right behind the ear.Problem solved.As far as i am concerned they are invading this country and as a citizen of the UNITED STATES i have a right and DUTY to defend my Country.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#75 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:40 PM EST

                      Maybe Wayne LaPierre has another brilliant suggestion for this problem also?

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#76 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:41 PM EST

                      Security my ass - Those are new "Obamaites" coming to the promised land. They should be welcomed with open arms - no? This is the lifeblood of the democrat party - no?

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#77 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:41 PM EST

                      lol, good one.

                      Just wait until the Obamites reach the norther parts of the county and move in the libs yards. I am sure since they are all for illegals being here they will be kind and invite them in their homes.

                      • 2 votes
                      #77.1 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:23 AM EST
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                      the tea party old Jedi trick......build a fence put our national guards on the border...now who will pay the tab...............................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

                        Reply#78 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:42 PM EST

                        WHATEVER the tab is it will be cheaper than paying for all of the anchor babies and their sickly parents and their education and the incessant social services these miserable creatures require. Needy, needy, needy. An absolute burden on us. Even Vicente Fox openly said mexico did not want all of those useless people. They reproduce like roaches...

                        • 2 votes
                        #78.1 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:33 PM EST

                        @ Toni

                        Exactly correct,but forget the fence.If the unemployment rate is so damn high,train people to guard the border.The cost of hiring and training people has to be a drop in the bucket,compared to what's spent to support the illegals.Train them and give them the best weapons the U.S. has.

                        The problem is,this gov't would rather spend billions to support them,than millions to stop them.

                        • 5 votes
                        #78.2 - Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:51 PM EST

                        No truer words were ever spoken, i'm done now. You are right on the money.

                          #78.3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:54 AM EST
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