Daycare on demand: round-the-clock childcare services on the rise

As parents take jobs with odd hours to stay afloat in a difficult economy, their daycare needs go beyond the typical nine to five. NBC's John Yang reports.

By John Yang
NBC News

ELYRIA - It’s 8:30 p.m, dinner’s done (spaghetti and meatballs), and 6-year-old twins Michael and Mateo Lopez are snuggled under blankets, watching television in their pajamas.  

But the boys aren’t at home. Michael and Mateo are at ABC & Me Childcare, a converted carpet and tile showroom amid strip malls, fast food restaurants and gas stations, in a gritty corner of a Cleveland suburb. Their mother, Alicia Fuerstenberg, will pick them up in about an hour after finishing her evening shift at a Bob Evans restaurant where she works as a waitress.  

“Nine-to-five jobs are a dream,” said Alicia Fuerstenberg, a 26-year-old single mother who lives in Elyria, Ohio. “They’re all taken or you have to have a Master’s.”

The tight job market means that parents can’t always choose their working hours. Instead, they take second jobs to make ends meet or add classes to their work day to improve their skills. More than 40 percent of the American labor force works early in the morning, late at night or on weekends, according to census data. As a result, daycare has become around-the-clock care.

ABC & Me offers its services 24 hours a day, seven days a week. On this night, Michael and Mateo were among about a dozen children -- including a 3-month-old -- drifting off to sleep. On some days, the first child is dropped off at 1:30 a.m. The last pick-up is usually around midnight.

“Most families are running as fast as they can to try to pull it together and try to make it work for their kids, and make it work for them, so they can support their families,” said Ellen Galinsky, the founder and president of the Families and Work Institute.

Demand for nontraditional hours is growing. In Ohio, the number of centers offering overnight hours has doubled since 2003 and those open on weekends has quadrupled, according to the Ohio Child Care Resource and Referral Association.

ABC & Me has offered around-the-clock services since the center opened in 2007.

“That was the first thing that we were able to fill … the evening hours or the wee hours of the morning rather than the 8 to 5, 9 to 6 type of hours,” said ABC & Me owner Erin Price.

Some children arrive both before and after school. So the center’s staff tries to make things as much like home as possible -- breakfasts, lunches and dinners are cooked on-site, school-aged children do homework, and there’s a strict bedtime.

Brianna Smith and Erin Prince of ABC & Me Childcare, and parents who need the option of 24 hour day care, describe the  benefits.     

“I try to make it as consistent for them as possible, with routines -- with what they’re going to do, with the learning, with the nutrition,” said Brianna Smith, who runs the center.

Parents say they appreciate the staff’s efforts.

“They’re cooks, they’re caretakers, they’re mothers, they’re aunts, they’re sisters, they’re friends—they’re everything,” said Tiffany Bickley, a restaurant cook whose six-year-old daughter, Airalyn, is at ABC & Me from the time she leaves kindergarten, at 3:15 p.m., until her mother leaves work around 9 p.m.

She says the center’s staff is “exactly what I am, just in a different form.”

Childcare experts say it may not be perfect, but daycare centers like ABC & Me can be a source of stability for the children.

“It can be a home away from home rather than going to this person this night, and that person another night,” said Galinsky, of the Families and Work Institute. “There are other children there, so other kids are living a life you’re living -- it doesn’t seem so different.”

The center’s operators estimate that about 85 percent of their clients are single parents and a similar proportion get state aid to pay for childcare.  For Tiffany Bickley, 26, an experienced babysitter was out of the question. 

“They’re wanting $10 and $15 an hour,” said Bickley, who pays $29 a week for ABC & Me. “I make $10 an hour. Where does that leave me?”

 

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Where can I find services like this in Newark, DE? We're having a baby in september and it's a big concern we have. I go to work very early, and my wife works overnight.

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#1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 6:59 PM EST

Not a good idea...but what can we do?

Americans on average are overworked and underpaid, jobs are scarce, pay has gone down, CEO salaries have gone up, bosses have become meaner....and we still do have familiees to take care of!!!

As much as most Americans would prefer to be by their kiddos side; it is becoming impossible to even see your child for more than a couple hours a day...when you are sending them to school.

By the time everybody meets up; it's time to go to bed...pathetic!

We are become disorganized families, thats for sure....

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#1.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:53 PM EST

Face the facts; we are now a third world country; they have beaten down America , so they may mold it to their corporate government, Do you think that this uncontrolled illegal immigration problem is just a accident, do you believe that no real wage increase IN 25 YEARS IS JUST A ACCIDENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT UN-ENDING WAR AFTER WAR IS JUST A ACCIDENT; OUR CORPORATE MASTERS HAVE PLANNED THIS EVER SINCE Brenton Woods IN 1946.

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#1.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:34 PM EST
Comment author avatarDanTheManOfVegasExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Sounds to me like you have your finances in order, but not the time available, maybe you should consider putting the child up for adoption if you guys have to spend so much time at work.

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#1.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:42 PM EST

And yet another indicator of a failing society.

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#1.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:59 PM EST

Hey Doc - Ill take it a couple steps further than disorganized - and call it profoundly dysfunctional. Its abhorrent.

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#1.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:01 PM EST

“Nine-to-five jobs are a dream,” said Alicia Fuerstenberg, a 26-year-old single mother who lives in Elyria, Ohio. “They’re all taken or you have to have a Master’s.”

OMG...ya right, a 'Master's' to go into sales - in many ways the best paying job a high school grad can get if they don't mind WORKING & THINKING. I don't mean KMart...I'm talking commission sales. Those jobs are always out there. But young people have to work, relocate, and think.

"A dream"?.....Gimme a break.........

    #1.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:04 PM EST

    Is anyone at all troubled by the fact that childcare facilities did not exist, or were extremely rare and for the rich, prior to the 1980s? They were unheard of in the 1960s. Non-maternal childcare when it was needed by those of lesser means, and due to unforseen circumstances (such as the untimely death of the father), was provided by extended family (who, thanks to a functional society, were generally also mothers who were IN THE HOME).

    The woman of loose morals was a pariah for a reason, and it wasnt just good christian values. It was because she was the antipathy of motherhood.

    The only daycare available by strangers was for the very wealthy. They hired in-home nannies. Children didnt have access to their self-absorbed mothers, but they at least had the comfort of their own homes.

    Daycare facilities are a peculiarity of "the new world order" and of the great service economy that our leaders praised so effusively back in the 1980s. This is the reality, folks. This is the end result of corporate deregulation, and of pro-feminism gone amok.

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    #1.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:12 PM EST

    "It takes a village."

    This is just the 21st century's form. At least they are parents that care enough to work hard to provide for their children. Would you prefer they didn't and just took handouts?

    I know many people that do not have family members that live near by to help with child care. This is a safe, enriching enviroment that is provided by people that care about kids.

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    #1.8 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:13 PM EST

    I don't think when they made that saying you had to pay the village though.

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    #1.9 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:27 PM EST

    srength in numbers, i went to daycare in the 60's. my parents were both school teachers. it was a big place too, with rooms for different age groups.

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    #1.10 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:27 PM EST

    Rezsia - the 21st century form is not doing a very good job of raising the children. Emotional disorders of all sorts are off the charts for children. Its not a coincidence. The saying "it takes a village" referred to the fact that a child actually could ROAM said village with his/her childhood friends - and interact with the people. They had teachers - the neighbors, the parents of their friends, the local store that they would buy penny candy from, the local theatre - their church, the library, pick-up sports, public parks, etc. It meant that they interacted with the people in their neighborhood. They were not shuffled from a distracted, rushed home, to a school, then off to a holding facility, to be picked up, put to bed, and start all over the next day.. and the next.. and the next.... And what of their summers? What of playing all day with friends, under sprinklers, making mud pies, exploring woods and fields? No. They spend thier ouside time on foam in small fenced in "play areas". In worlds so small, they cant even escape the "neighborhood bully" no, they have to take a nap next to him now.

    Remember that Sesame Street song...? Who are the people in your neighborhood - theyre the people that you greet, when youre walking down the street! Well, now, children's worlds have shrunk to sad proportions. As though they were locked away in orphanages. They are stored in large detention facilities with lots of colorful plastic toys and colorful pretty things taped on the walls.

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    #1.11 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:36 PM EST

    My deepest condolances, to you, allison. But I do hope you at least had summers to play with your friends in a world not entirely regimented by schedule and "rooms".

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    #1.12 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:38 PM EST

    @Strength in numbers my mother, who is 64, had to babysit her younger brothers after school and start dinner, starting when she was in 2nd or 3rd grade....both her parents worked back then, as did many of the people in her family AND her neighborhood...at times, she and her family lived with her grandparents, but that was not what went on for most of her childhood...the "good ole days" were not good for everyone, and there is a need for some of the changes that have happened over the years...women have ALWAYS worked, who were YOUR teachers when you were young? probably at leat 75% were women, and nurses are a (low) 96% female now, secretaries, cleaning people, store clerks, phone operators...all overwhelmingly female workers, who were married and had kids and had to scramble for child care, especially if family were not nearby...the "Leave it to Beaver" world in the 50's bears as much resembalance to the real world as the" Real Housewives" shows resemble the majority of American families...barely at all.

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    #1.13 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 10:59 PM EST

    and for the record, I was a stay at home mom until about just over 4 years ago when my husband left and I had to work fulltime to support myself and kids...the following summer, my kids went to full day camp, and they liked it more than hanging around like they did in prior summers, and we spent most days at our YMCA pool...at camp they ahve gone on field trips, hiked, camped, canoed, done crafts, partidipate in the annual camp show, learned about wildlife, go swimming every day unless it rains...every January, my daughter cannot wait to choose the camp she will attend each week, this year it includes fishing ( she has been fishing for over 11 years now) camera skills, gardening...sounds like f**cking torture, doesn't it?? and similiar camping experiences are offered all over, courtesy of the YMCA.

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    #1.14 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:05 PM EST

    The first "day cares" or "day nurseries" started in Boston in the 1840's, to care for immigrant children whose mothers were widowed or had to work. It's not that new a phenomenon.

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    #1.15 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:42 PM EST

    Is anyone at all troubled by the fact that childcare facilities did not exist, or were extremely rare and for the rich, prior to the 1980s? They were unheard of in the 1960s.

    StrengthInNumbers - you don't have a clue! Both of my parents worked during the 50s. My younger sister was in childcare during the day. I wasn't a problem because I was already in elementary school. Childcare did exist prior to the 1960s, and it wasn't just for the rich. If we had been rich, my mother would not have been working.

    Get a clue and check your facts before posting nonsense. As for "pro-feminism gone amok", get your mind out of the Middle Ages and move forward into the 21st century.

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    #1.16 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:06 AM EST

    Sorry - sticking to my guns on this. Daycare was for the rich. I knew not a single child in daycare when I was growing up. We all walked home from school everyday. I grew up in a blue-collar factory town.

    Theres an exception to every rule, but by and large, daycare prior to the 1980s was the exception.

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    #1.17 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:44 AM EST

    @Strength:

    CHILD CARE IN THE UNITES STATES: YESTERDAY AND TODAY

    Marlys Ann Boschee, Ed. D.
    Associate Professor
    University of South Dakota

    Geralyn M. Jacobs, Ed.D.,
    Assistant Professor
    University of South Dakota

    CHILD CARE IN THE US: A BRIEF HISTORY

    The beginning of the day care movement originated with the welfare and reform movements of the 19th century. "Day care grew out of a welfare movement to care for immigrant and working class children while their impoverished mothers worked (Scarr & Weinberg, 1986, p. 1140)." The day care centers of today evolved from these day nurseries which began in Boston in the 1840s.

    The early nurseries cared for children of working wives and widows of merchant seamen who were an economically deprived and disadvantaged group in society. Settlement houses were especially active in promoting day care for immigrant children. Jane Adams, a well known reformer in her era, developed nurseries for poor children who needed supervision and care while their parents endeavored to survive in a new land. "Day care," according to Scarr and Weinberg (1986), "was founded... as a social service to alleviate the child care problems of parents who had to work, and to prevent young children from wandering the streets (p. 1141)."

    GOVERNMENT SPONSORSHIP

    Child care in the United State has, like many other national enterprises, has been a melting pot of ideas and interests. During the Great Depression, day care was sponsored by the Federal Government. This sponsorship was motivated by a desire to employ out-of-work adults, however, not from a belief in early education.

    During World War II, the Federal Government sponsored day care for 400,000 preschool children. Again, this was not done because Congress perceived day care to be beneficial for children, but because the mothers of these children were needed to work in industries producing war materials. Ironically, after the war, the Federal government abdicated all support for day care and instructed women to quit working, go home, and take care of their children. Many women, however, chose not to accept that advice. The ranks of working women have been steadily increasing since World Was II (Scarr & Weinberg, 1986).

    PRIVATELY SPONSORED CHILD CARE CENTERS

    In addition to the Federal sponsorship of child care during World War II, a unique program began in Portland, Oregon in 1943. The Kaiser shipyards opened a child care center at the entrance of each of their two shipyards. In building the centers, they hoped to reduce the rate of absenteeism among their working mothers. Henry Kaiser built the centers, which were the world's largest child care centers and were in operation 24 hours a day. These centers had a nurse on site for children who were ill, and also provided hot meals for mothers to take home with them. The centers were models of child-centered construction, built around a courtyard with wading pools. The playrooms branching off of the courtyards had large windows and window seats that allowed children to watch the construction taking place in the yards. Cost of the care was shared by parents and the Kaiser company. In the two years they were open they served 3,811 different children (Gordon & Browne, 1996).

    After the war these centers closed, but today more and more businesses are following Kaiser's example and are providing on-site child care centers for their employees. New innovations in corporate day care settings are also being tried. Stride Rite Corporation began their day care center in 1971 and have now opened an intergenerational center which provides services to toddlers and preschoolers, as well as the elderly (Berenbeim, 1992). Two Marriott hotels in Atlanta have joined forces with the Omni hotel to build a 24 hour a day, subsidized child care center. The center will offer family-support services, including immunizations, linking parents with social workers, and offering parenting classes. Eighty percent of their 250 slots are reserved for children from low-income families (Shellenbarger, 1994).

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    #1.18 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:01 AM EST

    My grandmother and my oldest aunt had only 7th-grade educations because of the lack of daycare in the 40's and 50's. Their families made them drop out of school to watch their younger siblings.

    There are some aspects of the "good old days" I wouldn't want to see happen again.

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    #1.19 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:06 AM EST

    StrengthInNumbers--there were daycares, though they were not called daycares for the most part. Many daycares were run out of homes by women who cared solo for other people's children (my husband stayed in one such daycare in the 1960s), other daycares were run out of homes by women with larger homes and a few coworkers or staff, and they provided a "kindergarten." I went to one such kindergarten back in the 1960s, before public schools instituted kindergartens. We were all working-class people.

    Prior to that time, back in the early 1900s and 1800s, there were different arrangements. Widowed family members and childless aunties went from family home to family home, caring for the small children so that the younger women could work in the fields or in the family shop. People who did not have a female family member who provided such services would go to the nearest orphanage and get an "orphaned" (that is, an illegitimate) preteen or to offer a job to a preteen from a home with a single father who was a drunk--this young girl would then be tasked with watching younger children until she became old enough to marry and leave.

    This was a good way for young girls from "bad homes" or "bad situations" to demonstrate that they were dependable and morally upright--they could then marry nice, if relatively poor, young boys. Some who were "lucky" would come to the attention of an older man with some wealth and marry into money.

    Seriously--have you never read Anne of Green Gables? Yes, that was commonplace. Middle class families (lawyers and doctors) might have an au pair or just a family acquaintance who needed a place to stay. People with a bit more money would have a nanny or governess (did you see The Help--those people weren't "wealthy," just middle class and/or affluent). The very wealthy would have a young woman from an aristocratic, if impoverished, family who was either plain or had been jilted or had gotten too old for a good match--and she would give an excellent education to their children, based on the fine education she had gotten in a girl's academy. (Heck, girls' academies were run by impoverished genteel women whose husbands had trashed their fortunes and left them with no more than a good education and a fine, large house.)

    Women have always worked--in the fields, in the family business, "helping" their husbands by serving as their assistants (in law, in medicine, in theology, in the academy--the old rule was that if a woman wanted to be a lawyer, she married one, and "practiced" law as his assistant)--and they have always had a method of seeing to it that the children were cared for. By the time of the 1900s, when young women (from bad families or not) could get jobs in factories easily, the old methods of providing care were gone. So, women went into business caring for children--usually they worked from their own homes, but they were still businesses.

    Remember that just because you were blissfully unaware of arrangements that weren't like those in your own home doesn't mean they didn't exist. Seriously--read something other than the carefully tailored histories handed to you by people who are good at fiction. There has always been a way of providing care for children while mom worked. I think that some are worth revisiting (I really do think that having a trustworthy, impoverished relative move in is a great idea--as it provides for care and also helps the indigent).

    • 9 votes
    #1.20 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:07 AM EST

    strength in numbers, i liked going to daycare. we lived in a rural area and my sister was my usual playmate. it was fun to play with other kids. i learned too- i was way ahead of the pack when i got to 1st grade. while the other kids were learning to read, i was reading independently. and yes, we were home during the summer- as i said, my parents were school teachers.

    • 3 votes
    #1.21 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:24 AM EST
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    Where can I find services like this in Newark, DE?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:13 PM EST

    frank,

    i typed in my bing box - abc and me newark delaware - and some came up. good luck and congrats.

    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:43 PM EST
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    Comment author avatarGTOGregExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    I have found a service that will sit my child in the wee hours. They demand booze for payment however. Should I be concerned?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:36 PM EST

    That isn't even funny, smartass.

    • 16 votes
    #3.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:40 PM EST
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    I need a center than can take care of a child with special needs. I am trying to find a job but have had no luck. When my child is at school, I am covered. But what about when she is sick? Or day off of school? Or this summer? I have no idea what I will do.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:40 PM EST

    chocolatekat: have you checked with your child's school or your local DES office? also, the YWCA can be a good resource. and, depending on your child's special needs, you can find a local support group that can help you further. also, single/solo parent support groups in your area can be a great assistance. you can do a google search, if you have not already, of your child's disability and child care; call those centers and see if they have resources...sometimes they have scholarships from private funding sources. start networking with parents that have a similar situation...when you pool resources, it can be a great help! good luck, dear! i understand what you are going through, i have been there. don't lose faith!

    • 9 votes
    #4.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:51 PM EST

    Most day cares won't take a sick child. I have heard some have a sick room, but I think the kids only stay in there until the paent can pick them up. Special needs should be offered almost everywhere.

      #4.2 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:03 AM EST
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      Comment author avatarmmm1379Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      Just like the people who bought homes and now can't make their payments. Some people should not be homeowners. Some people should not be parents. Why are you having kids when you can't take care of them?

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      Reply#5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:44 PM EST

      mmm1379.. are you for real? you've got to be kidding me!!

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      #5.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:54 PM EST

      Sometimes life has a way of not giving you a choice. I knew a woman who met her Mr. Right. He had a good stable job, they got married, and everything was good. Then she found out he had been hiding a heroin habit. Slowly his addiction tore her life apart. Now she's single, stuck with the two kids they had back when she thought life was good.

      She worked hard, went to school, and got a master's degree. She got a job with it, but the pay increase just small enough to cut off her childcare credits, but not enough to let her afford the care on her own. So she ended up having to leave her dream job to work at the child care her kids were enrolled at (to get free care) while looking for other opportunities.

      For some people, every time a door closes, another one opens.

      For others, every time they force a door open through hard work and perseverance, life swoops in and closes it again.

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      #5.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:55 PM EST

      Sooooo...only people with day jobs should have children? A lot of people who have jobs with odd hours CAN take care of their children, but there are a lot of jobs that operate outside of the 9-5 Monday thru Friday timeline.

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      #5.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:58 PM EST

      MMM, perhaps they HAD a good job then lost it? "bought homes and can't afford to make their payments" Rolling my eyes. Seriously THINK about what you wrote.

      I know a lady who worked that same job for 30 years and was let go, not she cannot find a job (due to the economy, not her fault)

      btw, my husband died....that made my income 1/2, AND, we had bought a house. NOT KNOWING. pfft

      • 12 votes
      #5.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:02 PM EST

      Some very important people in your life might need this type of child care....the ER docs and nurses that help you at 2am when you have your heart attack (cranky people have more of them, you know), the dispatcher that took your 911 call, the EMT that transported you, the police officers and firefighters that you rely on, flight attendants, bakers, and even emergency plumbers on call all have to have safe places for their children so that you and I can sleep well at night. It would be lovely if everyone had a stay-at-home mom/dad/nana, but not everyone is so blessed. I am glad that there are places like this exist.

      • 19 votes
      #5.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:21 PM EST

      momof4, thanks for your smart and informed comment. too bad more citizens can't see beyond their self-righteousness.

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      #5.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:40 PM EST

      What an asinine remark -- put the child up for adoption. Have you ever heard of layoffs, corporate bankruptcies, cutbacks in hours, etc. When the people had their children, they most likely could "afford" them. So now that they no longer bring home a large paycheck, they should give their children up?

      • 9 votes
      #5.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:52 PM EST

      THANKS mm.... I waited to get married until I had a good job. We waited to have a child until we could support her. IT'S RESPONSIBILITY!

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      #5.8 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:07 PM EST

      ok, so, what are you going to do if you lose your job and have a mortgage payment and house payment? what's going to happen if your child or wife falls ill with a terminal illness? what's going to happen if your wife runs off with another man, leaving you to raise the child alone? what will happen if you face a natural disaster?

      these are the REAL WORLD PROBLEMS some people deal with. sometimes life has a way of serving self-righteousness right back to you...it's called karma. keep on judging...what comes around, goes around!

      • 9 votes
      #5.9 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:18 PM EST

      Chances are better that he'll run off with another woman leaving her to raise their daughter alone. My husband dropped dead suddenly, one of our three children is severely autistic. Sometimes there are things your stupid ass can't plan for Justoneguy.

        #5.10 - Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:07 PM EDT
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        I am so glad there is somewhere safe to leave the children of working families, but honestly this made me so sad. It just basically sucks that to even be considered "working poor" you need two jobs to put gas in the car, pay the basic bills and put food on the table.

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        Reply#6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:55 PM EST

        With 40 million people on food stamps we should have them work 10-20 hours/week taking care of these children. Enough of this entitilement welfare society. These people keep telling us how responsible they are, let the cities provide the space and the food stamp people watch over the children. A no-cost solution to a real problem.

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        #6.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:42 PM EST

        @Jerry-450071 -- Would you really want welfare recipients FORCED to watch your children in order to obtain welfare/food stamp benefits? Sounds like an invitation for child abuse and neglect.

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        #6.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:56 PM EST

        @Jerry Really?

        Fact: Over 1,000 TN state employees are on food stamps.

        Why: Because employers (including the states) want to pay the least for the most work. Not pay equal to the work provided.

        Fact: My husband who is a firefighter has not received a raise in 9 years and I work over 50+ hrs a week. We still can't afford childcare.

        • 12 votes
        #6.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:23 PM EST

        I hate to sound judgmental, but I'd never want a food stamp person to care for my child.

        I'm thankful I'm lucky enough to be able to stay at home.

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        #6.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:25 PM EST

        Sorry, but, you do sound judgmental, kamity. You can't make a snap judgement that the character of a person is poor simply because they're receiving food stamps. Funny how we always blame people who are struggling financially, but, never consider that the greed of corporations is what has many people and their families struggling in the first place.

        US corporations have been downsizing and outsourcing without abandon for over 40 years. This is what happens after decades of sending our jobs somewhere else. And, I'm so tired of that "...there are jobs out there..." argument. Yes, there are jobs out there, but, if they pay any kind of decent money, 500 people could apply for one position. I after being downsized by a major telecommunications company TWICE during the last two decades, I finally secured a job with a nearby school district. HUNDREDS of people showed up to go through a very lengthy hiring process - and there weren't even any positions for that job title available at the time. I only finally got a position because I ranked so high on the eligibility list. Even so, it's only a part-time, substitute position, which means I get no benefits, no sick leave, no vacation and, because I'm not considered a "regular" employee, I'm earning much less than the starting wage for the position. In other words, it's a jungle out there when it comes to finding a decent job where you're not in a position where you need food stamps to survive. Thankfully, I don't, but, a lot of people do. That doesn't make them monsters.

        Obviously though, since you don't have to work, you have no clue as to how difficult the jobs market is.

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        #6.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:42 PM EST

        wow, kamity, you bourgeois-elitist attitude about made me fall off my chair. let me guess, you and the hubby like to take a leisurely drive to the city's southside on a sunday afternoon to show the kids what a ghetto looks like? is that your idea of a family excursion? i bet you any money it is, "stay at home mom". go back to your freecycling and coupon clipping, and leave commentary on real life situations to those of us who get it.

        • 10 votes
        #6.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:45 PM EST

        Bravo!

        • 3 votes
        #6.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:44 PM EST

        Um, hey? Not so much with the Bravo.

        Granted, Kamity does sound pretty darn judgemental, but so does real_life. Being a stay at home mom doesn't make you someone who doesn't get real life, and she was JUST as insulting as Kamity was. I'm a stay at home mom, for a very simple reason. When I started back to work after my first son, I quickly discovered that once I paid for child care, gas, lunch, and work clothes, I was working 40 hrs a week for almost no net gain. No reason in the world for us to put our kids in child care for half their waking lives without us having more than spending money to show for it. So I stayed home, ran a little business from home, and you bet your a$$, I freecycled and cut coupons. Cause, see, that savings helped us scrape by on the one income. And I have to say, I don't much appreciate being painted with the bon-bon brush that Real_Life just whipped out. We don't Freecycle and cut coupons beause we have nothing better to do, we do it beause we are doing the best we can to feed our families and keep clothes on their backs and roofs over their heads. Maybe even just like you, even though different choices got us to this place. I'd estimate that I save 3 grand a year on groceries, just from couponing, and that is significant when you're on a budget. I guess "judgemental" cuts both ways.

        • 1 vote
        #6.8 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:04 AM EST

        I wouldn't mind if someone on foodstamps watched my kids. As long as they were qualified to.

        Thousands of people are on foodstamps. Some are hard working people who fell on hard times. Others are drug using abusers who can't even take care of themselves.

        If Susan or Fred the qualified teachers aide who got laid off and hasn't been able to get work gets food stamps and can watch kids, sure!

        If it's Susan or Fred the not qualified meth addicts who stuff packets of cold medicine in their pants to make their next batch... no.

        My mom ironically enough, was on food stamps. She was a state qualified day care provider and was one for 20 years before a very bad back injury kept her from doing daycare. After that, she had to go on welfare to receive benefits until she could get disability. This was years ago, but I will still trust her to watch kids despite being on foodstamps.

        So the statement made by the woman who said she'd never let ANY person on foodstamps watch her kids is a shallow baseless and rather snotty opinion. Fortunately for the rest of us, it is just that, an opinion, one that can easily be ignored.

        • 3 votes
        #6.9 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:27 AM EST
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        Comment author avatarModern PubliusExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        So can I have free birth control and child care? I'm a little down on my luck and gas is kind of pricey, can the government spot me a car as well? Since my luck is not so good and I am having trouble make my rent, can I get a free house as well? Also, I want to know who is "demanding" free child care? We all need to link up and start our own occupy movement.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:00 PM EST

        You are a jerk, plain and simple. I feel for anyone living with your sorry *&*

        • 21 votes
        #7.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:05 PM EST

        Please keep your sexist, racist, classist Founding Fathers wank out of all discussions, Publius Troll.

        And YES the Founding Fathers were rich, white LAND OWNING men who lived during AGRARIAN times. Join the modern era, where most democracies were formed after the 1940s and accounted for social justice. How you can even think for a moment they had some sort of insight into hyper-capitalism and contemporary society is beyond me.

        • 21 votes
        #7.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:10 PM EST

        Modern Publius, carrying the banner of "@!$%# the poor, I got mine!"

        • 9 votes
        #7.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:22 PM EST

        Be careful what you criticize and how you tempt fate. If Karma has it's way, you will die alone and friendless in a medicade-funded nursing home.

        • 13 votes
        #7.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:39 PM EST

        you will die alone and friendless in a medicade-funded nursing home

        Publius may also exit this world alone and friendless in a upscale nursing home... with his only care giver, an OWS working double shifts. Enjoy the love, Publius...

        Luke 16:19-31 ( biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2016&version=NIV )

        • 7 votes
        #7.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:41 PM EST

        Modern Publius, in case you didn't notice, the woman they interviewed DOES pay for her child care. It's just that it's at a rate that can be afforded, instead of her breaking even using babysitters. I for one am glad these are starting to show up more. Many day cares have been absolutely ripping people off if the child has to stay past 5pm. Many of the people I used to work with work odd hours. I worked in a hospital, so many of the nurses had to rush out in an attempt to get their kids before being charged double for each hour past 5pm.

        • 6 votes
        #7.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 10:29 PM EST

        He just saw the black lady and that's all it took! Sexist, racist, idiot!

          #7.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:16 PM EST
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          For all the people making negative comments about people being poor parents because they need baby-sitters at odd hours so they can go to work- would you prefer they just sit home and collect government handouts? Not everyone has a perfect financial situation- they should be deprived the ability to have a family because they don't work 9 - 5? They need child care so they can WORK, not party. I fail to see why working hard makes you a bad parent. We should all be as lucky as you to have the ideal work schedule.

          • 33 votes
          Reply#8 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:00 PM EST
          Comment author avatartfbarExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I can't believe that someone feels that they shouldn't be DEPRIVED the right to have kids just because they can't afford to have them. Gee - I feel DEPRIVED that I can't have a Jaguar.... maybe that should be provided to me for free, too. I mean, really - no one in this country should be DEPRIVED of whatever it is they want, right?

          • 4 votes
          #8.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:32 PM EST

          firefly, what I prefer is that they dont go down so gently into that good night. What I prefer is that we FIGHT, and that we dont try to rationalize this situation as acceptable or good, because we find ourselves in it.

          Dont let them serve you dog poo in a fancy bowl, and call it chocolate pudding. Its still dog poo!

          This daycare system is not the ideal environment to raise a child. This is greatly inferior to just a few decades ago. My working-class upbringing was idyllic compared to this dystopian hell on earth we have created. Its downright Dickensian, but with television.

          No firely - what I want, is for people to FIGHT, to say HEY! This is NOT a good situation!

          Fight for a return to a more family-friendly time, when one working-class income was sufficient to raise our families.

          Working hard, firefly to the point where you are largely absent from your child's life, does indeed MAKE you a "bad" parent. It does not mean you CHOOSE to be a bad parent. You are compelled by a dysfunctional society to be an absentee parent.

          • 5 votes
          #8.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:59 PM EST

          tfbar,

          They CAN afford care. The article is about kids who are receiving childcare, if you'll take the time to read it. The difference from most families is that this care is provided outside of normal business hours, because these parents work outside of normal business hours, and PAY for childcare during those hours.

          • 3 votes
          #8.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:52 PM EST
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          Comment author avatarJennifer Garland-5210965Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          why do ppl even have kids if they cannot properly take care of them...there is a thing called birth control... ppl these days are always relying on someone else to raise there kids...just ridiculous.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#9 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:11 PM EST

          newsflash, jennifer!! sometimes spouses die or marriages fall apart! is that ok with your highness? are they still at fault for not properly being able to take care of children to your standards? not everyone has the luxury of being a stay at home mom like you.

          • 25 votes
          #9.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:38 PM EST

          I cant believe that people whine and dont want our working people to have children<, they are the same ones that are whining about letting insurance pay for BC. you are d----- if you do and da---- dont.

          • 12 votes
          #9.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:46 PM EST

          jennifer, how does one know that their day job is gong to be gone in a few years? How does one know that hubby is going to take off? Come on, don't be ridiculous.

          • 14 votes
          #9.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:11 PM EST

          And sometimes men just leave jennifer, how about that one? Hmmm??? How about some of you people bitching about the women and their "loose" morals, etc etc, start holding the men accountable as well? You people are ridiculous.

          • 17 votes
          #9.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:24 PM EST

          Here is another thought, there are some jobs that REQUIRE people to work nights or weekends...I mean those sick people can just take care of them selves until 7 am for the nurses to come back to day shift...oh and I hope there is not a fire at night, because those firefighters go home at 7 pm...or don'tgo to the store to buy food, or have dinner out in the evening, because NO ONE works anything other than 9-5, m-friday, right?

          • 10 votes
          #9.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:11 PM EST

          Did you READ the article or just look at the pictures?

          • 2 votes
          #9.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:21 PM EST

          Thank you 'getaclue95'!!!! I had children in my late 20s AFTER I finished college and married my college sweetheart. We did use birth control for 5 years. When we were financially comfortable, we had our sons. He died in an accident when our sons were 2 and 4. Fortunately, I did have an education and was able to get a good paying teaching job.

          I had to rely upon daycare, but it wasn't out of choice, it was out of necessity. Nor was it a lack of birth control. Jennifer Garland needs to wake up and get out of her fairytale world. Our plans had always been that I would stay home with our children and live on one income. It didn't work out that way, but I survived as did our sons. You can't always have the future you've so carefully planned.

            #9.7 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:56 PM EDT
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            Comment author avatarGus-1440967Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Try keeping your legs together unless you can afford children. How's that for an idea?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:12 PM EST

            or perhaps men should keep it in their pants if they can't afford children, eh?

            • 20 votes
            #10.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:21 PM EST

            How about keeping your johnson in your pants unless you are ready to be a father? Like that would EVER happen, lol.

            • 13 votes
            #10.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:23 PM EST

            Been listening to talk radio again I see.

            • 6 votes
            #10.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:25 PM EST

            As above, let the people on welfare and food stamps work 20 hours/week taking care of these children. We are paying them, let them provide some service for the community.

            • 1 vote
            #10.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:45 PM EST
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            I am old enough to remember why communism was supposed to be so bad, because women in communist countries were all expected to work (horrors!) and the poor commie kids went to daycare and their parents didn't raise them!!

            We have met the enemy and his is us.

            But I still don't understand why people have kids if they don't want to or can't take care them. The world would be a good place if only people who really had the have resources to take care of kids had them. Society would have well adjusted, well-brought up, loved kids, and rest of us would not have to pay high taxes to take care of the kids who don't have good parents.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#11 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:13 PM EST

            wow...so, parents who have to work are bad parents??? you must live in a Brady Bunch existence, where spouses never die, where families don't divorce, and single parenting doesn't exist. please go back to your Leave it to Beaver life...the real world is inhabited by real people.

            • 20 votes
            #11.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:32 PM EST

            If the only people who had children were the ones who had all the resources necessary and could spend all their time focusing on their kids, this country would be depopulated in very short order.

            Life does not go according to plan. This woman is attempting to make the best of a tough situation. And you are criticizing her choices and her situation based on very few details. I hope you aren't a parent because if you are, you're setting a bad example for your kids.

            • 15 votes
            #11.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:57 PM EST

            people who have little and little prospects are the most likely to spend their free time making babies and the most likely to have a blase attitude towards the importance of providing their kids with a good life because their parents didn't set them up so well in life either

              #11.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:20 PM EST
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              I lived in Las Vegas in the mid 1990's and they have 24 hour day cares there for the hotel/casino workers.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#12 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:15 PM EST

              Do they still have those? This is 10s America we are talking about not 90s America.

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:28 PM EST

              Just read an article about them written in 2010. People still work night shift in 10s America.

              • 3 votes
              #12.2 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:53 AM EST
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              Comment author avatarYellaHammerExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              One has to ask themselves. "Is this the Hope and Change you voted for??."

              We all have made mistakes. Lets all hope we learn from them.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:21 PM EST

              Maybe it's because we have so many laws about parenting. When I was growing up you learned very early how to deal with being alone and doing things for yourself. Not in todays perfect world, same people crying about others children are the first to the doctor to medicate theirs. Bunch of twits

              • 6 votes
              Reply#14 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:21 PM EST

              For single moms working hard to support your families: i have nothing but respect for you. keep on, keepin' on, and don't listen to the haters, you are doing a great job.

              for all you jerks who knock single parents for working and receiving child care assistance: shame on you for your narrow minded, selfish, judgmental attitude. it is people like you God will hold in contempt of humanity.

              • 23 votes
              Reply#15 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:24 PM EST

              The kids' last name is Lopez, the mother's is Furstenberg. Where is Senor Lopez?

              • 2 votes
              Reply#16 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:29 PM EST

              You have to do what you have to do. Single moms I know often pool together time. So, one mom will work late hours while the other watches all the kids and vice versus. It isn't the government's problem. Let's be honest. These were usually choices. Choices to have children too young, or choices to not get an education that actually paid well or had decent hours. Or bad men choices (can be single dads too, I knew a few). Now and again you'll have a poor women (or man) with children become a widow, but I think if you look at most cases, the writing was on the wall. They chose poorly, bad men, bad timing, etc. Families are always a lot of work. You just have to kepp on keeping on. We have become way too materialistic too. I had a conversation with a lady today. They are "poor" but have cable TV, a newer car, and wouldn't dream of getting clothes at a thrift store. Hmmm.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#17 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:33 PM EST

              So let's talk about the bad choices that YOU have made and what others did to help you out of the mess that you created... where shall we begin?

              • 2 votes
              #17.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:50 PM EST

              Shame on you Melissa. I waited until my 40's to have children, don't have cable, a new car but affordable child care? Yeah, that's for the $100K plus crowd. Not the working poor or even middle-class families like mine. You sound like a single lonely woman that has no clue how life works, only what you've been brainwashed to believe. Oh, and I'm married. Dual incomes doesn't cut it, either.

              • 9 votes
              #17.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:47 PM EST
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              Is this a pre-cursor for the Right to Free Child Care?? The Health Care Bill has set a very dangerous precedence. Now we have the right to FREE contreception. Next will be the right to free food. The possibilities are endless.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#18 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:33 PM EST

              Well government has been instituted to protect all people's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Hard to be happy on an empty stomach, if people can't eat then government has a duty to intercede.

              The problems started as soon as the war was won, all of a sudden all that revolutionary spirit got quieted down when they realized what they had all signed that got things going in the first place.

              • 2 votes
              #18.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:50 PM EST

              "Well government has been instituted to protect all people's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness..."

              Not in the Constitution! The 5th Amendment does offer protections to our "life, liberty, or property," noting we cannot be deprived of any of them without due process of law. Taking my property to give to someone else is against the Constitution.

                #18.2 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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                “Nine-to-five jobs are a dream,” said Alicia Fuerstenberg, a 26-year-old single mother who lives in Elyria, Ohio. “They’re all taken or you have to have a Master’s.”

                Um...we know of many people that work the normal 9 to 5 jobs and have NO higher education much less an associates, bachelors OR masters degree and we live in Cleveland.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#19 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:33 PM EST

                tmdurant #19: Um...we know of many people that work the normal 9 to 5 jobs and have NO higher education much less an associates, bachelors OR masters degree and we live in Cleveland.

                So those must be the jobs that are taken that Ms. Fuerstenberg referred to.

                • 12 votes
                #19.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:54 PM EST
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                I feel for the working parents that have to rely on daycare centers. Unless you are getting assistance, you are most likely paying them more than you are making yourselves and if you are getting assistance, then think twice when you vote in November. A vote for a republican on anything is a vote to take whatever assistance you currently have away from you.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#20 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                I agree with your assessment, Mike. Middle-aged folks that are ready to retire -- people I personally know of whom voted for right-wingers back in the G.W. Bush Era of the 00's -- were quietly admitting to me that they're regretting it now. They've seen their 401K's and the value of their homesteads go downhill -- especially after the Republican Tea Party had a big ideological influence on Capitol Hill. in downgrading the nation's Triple A Rating. And they say they're seeing their states yield much less help to their grown-up children and grandchildren too, due to Republican-led budget cuts in government assistance to the working class, middle class, and the poor, within their own communities. They also said that depending on local Christian churches for help comes with really big strings attached ...binding ropes, "balls and chains," would be more like it.

                • 1 vote
                #20.1 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:40 AM EST
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                If I read this correctly, NOTHING is mentioned about right to education, housing, food health care, cell phones,contraception, child care or employment. Please correct me if I mis-understand.

                Bill of Rights
                Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
                Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
                Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
                Amendment 4 Search and arrest
                Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
                Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
                Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
                Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
                Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
                Amendment 10 States' rights Later Amendments
                Amendment 11 Lawsuits against states
                Amendment 12 Presidential elections
                Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery
                Amendment 14 Civil rights
                Amendment 15 Black suffrage
                Amendment 16 Income taxes
                Amendment 17 Senatorial elections
                Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor
                Amendment 19 Women's suffrage
                Amendment 20 Terms of office
                Amendment 21 Repeal of Prohibition
                Amendment 22 Term Limits for the Presidency
                Amendment 23 Washington, D.C., suffrage
                Amendment 24 Abolition of poll taxes
                Amendment 25 Presidential succession
                Amendment 26 18-year-old suffrage
                Amendment 27 Congressional pay raises

                • 3 votes
                Reply#21 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:40 PM EST

                Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers

                Do you have to draw them first?

                • 1 vote
                #21.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:56 PM EST

                Yella u must be a GOP member ur granddad prob worked for wpa---or made boot leg booze

                • 1 vote
                #21.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:58 PM EST

                Cherokee my friend. My grandfather was career Navy. I am no more than a single father who raised 3 children with support from NO ONE. Call me what you will. I'm the one who finds comfort in my own skin. And I do not have to take your inventory to do so.

                • 5 votes
                #21.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:12 PM EST

                how bout we call you a bore and leave it at that

                  #21.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:26 PM EST

                  You missed the part about "promote the general welfare?" Try reading it again.

                    #21.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:31 PM EST

                    First off, only the first ten amendments are called the "Bill of Rights." Second, This is the preamble to the Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence*, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Thirdly, Section Eight: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence* and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

                    *Spelling of "defense" original to document.

                    • 1 vote
                    #21.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:54 PM EST

                    I think amendment one is a good start and amendment seven, 6, 9, 14, 19.

                      #21.7 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:15 AM EST
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                      So this is like non-committally putting your child up for adoption? Like adoption with visitation rights? Why the hell do people have children anyway? 90% of people have kids and then spend the next 18+ years whinging and acting as if it was some curse they had no choice in.

                      You made a life why?

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#22 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:41 PM EST

                      I feel bad for parents who have to rely on day care (or night care!) to help, but I am not about to pass harsh judgment on them. I am just grateful that this particular center in the article seems to be genuinely trying really hard to help these children. I'm still glad I dont have to drop my kids off at a day care though, and I realize I am very lucky.

                      • 18 votes
                      Reply#23 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:43 PM EST

                      Like the saying goes, " If you are man or woman enough at night, then learn to be the same responsible man or woman during the day and take care of your own children". Thank-you and have a nice day (or night) :-)

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#24 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:44 PM EST

                      Why do these people have kids if they are just going to drop them off all day and night, every day and night, to be raised by strangers?

                      If you had thought this generation was messed up, wait till you see the sequel...

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#25 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:47 PM EST

                      The generation that messed up were the ones born in the 50s into that post-WWII, cold war, pre-civil rights mentality. The same kids who are now adults running the show. They were the ones who introduced that whole work till you drop, get milked like a cow mentality. They were the ones who started the astronomical divorce rates.

                      • 3 votes
                      #25.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:54 PM EST

                      Oh, you are referring to ME??.....Lets see, Single father of 3, no child support, no food stamps, no free housing. Put 2 daughters thru college w/ no grants. They did EARN some scholarships.

                      Now tell me more about YOUR generation. Could it be the one of the Entitlement Culture??, I.E. free housing, food, health care, college, eye care, cell phones and contraception?? You mean the generation who started the astronomical "where's yo daddy" rate??

                      Dude, do not be writing checks with your mouth that your ass cannot cash.

                      • 3 votes
                      #25.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                      So let me get your argument straight, you are against entitlements and yet have done your best to raise expectations of entitlements in your children by putting them through college rather than letting them work for it themselves?

                      Yella hate to break it to you but I don't need to write or cash a check, you just did both for me.

                      And I'm not trying to insinuate that the problems have not continued to the present generations, they have, I am only pinpointing the origins of those problems as starting with that generation. Yes my generation sucks but it sucks because our parents (the ones born in the 50s) were too busy working and divorcing (then working even more to pay lawyers and for two shelters) than to spend time at home. Now my generation are adults with kids of their own, repeating the same processes they witnessed as children.

                      • 3 votes
                      #25.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:12 PM EST

                      Mr. Dan,

                      Being a parent is a trial and error process. As a parent, my hope is for my children to make their own decisions and that someday, they can fend for themselves. But as a parent, as long as these kids make an effort in their lives, I have their back. That is my responsibilty. They have demonstrated a sincere and honest effort by maintaining 3.5 GPA's and work 2 jobs in the process. They ask very little from me.

                      My advise to anyone who is a parent, let me say. By the time you get it figured out, it won't matter anyway. Because grandchildren await you....LOL

                        #25.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:20 PM EST

                        I have been a professional/technical working mom since I had children with a daughter in 1995 and a son in 1998. I graduated from college and met my husband there. We married after graduations and married within five years have a girl and a boy who are now 16 and 14 respectively. I was fortunate to have the opportunity to go to college and meet a college educated man who did not want for much. We struggled to find our first employers in 1989 and 90 respectively. Crappy job market at the time for young people, just like now. Personally, I do not think our society's capitolisim should leave any parent or child in its wake. I earn 50-70 K+ OPE a year and childcare costs were brutal in the 90s (and now) compromised our net income to an extreme. I remember paying La Petite Academy (corporate daycare) over $1200 a month to take care of my children 2 and 4 years old for a couple of years so mom and dad w/o our family daycare could go to their jobs. Our parents are loving grandparents and not interested in being daycare providers, but living their lives are individuals wish to pursue. It was insensitive for me to expect them to be a full or even part-time caregivers of my children at no cost. This full-time, dual income with children pursuit was a death sentence for my first marriage. It was difficult just like it is difficult for a single parent with children to raise. In my 25+ years of parenting I can ell you our system of childcare is extremely broken. Just like education our pre-K care/education system needs to be revamped and quickly for the betterment of our society. We can learn a lot from our countries that put a priority on the health and education of women and their children, which are the backbone of this society. Sorry boys/men. You are so important and special, but you are nothing without women. It is a shame that I contemplate whether it would be more healthy and prosperous to live in other countries for my parents, me and my children to raise their families. I never reply to blogs, but I was in the right moment to do so. Good luck.

                        • 4 votes
                        #25.5 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:00 AM EST

                        Just so you will know mommy, Universities across this nation are ramping up their early childhood education programs and being a graduate of one of them, I assure you they are intensive. The NAEYC, have set stringent standards for Pre-k and K and states and counties are being forced to comply. There is a strong sentiment in this country for quality education for our children. But like many other things, economics are always a problem. Kindergarten teachers make between 10 and 12 dollars an hour. How many young people really want to spend 40 grand on a college education to work for that kind of money? However this is not to short change the teachers with A.A.'s and CDA's as these are well qualified and caring people. Try a little volunteer time at your headstart or early headstart schools and you will see how dedicated these folks are. Not just you mommy44, all these schools welcome volunteers from all walks of life, no special skills needed, just a love of children.

                        • 1 vote
                        #25.6 - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:25 AM EST
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